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Post by lsudny on Jun 2, 2010 7:37:10 GMT -5
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Post by The Evil One on Jun 2, 2010 14:22:13 GMT -5
It's not the most understandable. It gives an impression of chargeable maps. Something better like "PK2 Map Library" etc.
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Post by sahwar on Jun 2, 2010 20:26:19 GMT -5
@the Evil One & lsudny:
What's wrong with the name "Mapstore2" (actually "PK2mapstore2" is the full name currently)? I find it good enough. I'd have to point out the "2" part after "mapstore" as a justification that the name ISN'T the same as the original Mapstore).
1st option: The Evil One, the source code of the free blogs hosted on wordpress.com isn't changeable, but if we transfer the blog onto a different host (all current content will be preserved in the process), presumably a cheap one, we can always change the URL address (i. e. the name of the new mapstore). Hosted in such a manner, the new mapstore's HTML and CSS will be directly editable (although I wouldn't advise playing with the core HTML source code).*
In addition, there're free WordPress themes out there that we can modify to fit our needs when we host it as a seperate domain, so CSS styling wouldn't be a big problem.
The only problem would be paying for the full hosting, but I think that we can probably manage to raise 5-9$/month for this.
(* It's because blogs are a ready-to-use platform and don't need too much tweaks - they work great for end-user content publishing, it's that simple - that's why there so popular.)
2nd option: Or we can pay WordPress.com for the "Edit CSS" & "Own domain" upgrades, but we still won't be able to mess with the HTML if we go with this solution.
3rd option: Code an entirely NEW mapstore2 ourselves and host it in the manner described in the 1st option.
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Post by lsudny on Jun 3, 2010 1:55:28 GMT -5
Piotrulos can code.
See that the original Mapstore practically doesn't exist now. How about calling it Unofficial PK2 Mapstore?
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Post by The Evil One on Jun 3, 2010 3:07:09 GMT -5
I can code. sahwar: E.g. blogspot's source code is freely editable. I know some domains with editable source code. And the name "Mapstore" - I think it's copyrighted by Tomas Macek.
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Post by lsudny on Jun 3, 2010 6:45:33 GMT -5
Do you see the copyright sign on original Mapstore? EDIT: See this page, it's called Pekka Kana 2 - Map store. JESUS, JUST CALL IT MAPSTORE AND CALM DOWN, CALM DOWN
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Post by The Evil One on Jun 3, 2010 7:49:13 GMT -5
Still saying that name map store looks like a place for maps which must be payed to get them (is that sentence correct?).
If you don't get it, I guess I must settle for name "Pekka Kana 2 Map Store 2" or "PK2 Map Store 2" (that's how it's written, I'd hate "pk2mapstore2").
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Post by sahwar on Jun 3, 2010 7:54:22 GMT -5
Are we done with the discussions about the name already? I really don't think that the name is as important as the content and the hosting stuff. PK2Mapstore2 sounds fine to me, as I've already said.
If you insist on another name, just tell it to me, so that we can ALL agree with it and register another WordPress.com or Blogspot/Blogger blog and get to the real job of building the library (i. e. filling it with episode reviews and a master Episode list).
P. S. "Mapstore" is not a copyrighted name and I don't think that it matters if it sounds as "chargeable" maps when it clearly SAYS that it DOESN'T (i. e. maps are totally free to get and we don't make any profit from this project, since it's a FAN project). I've updated the "Disclaimer" page to explicitly state that, just in case someone doesn't already know that.
OK?
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Post by The Evil One on Jun 3, 2010 8:14:58 GMT -5
I don't understand why it should be a blog. There are thousands of servers to choose from... But if you like. Let it be a blog. My own blog is in Blogger, and as you can see I've edited the source code to get a blog that looks like mine. And that name. Maybe I can handle it if it really will be Map Store 2. But my opinion is that it'd be a copy of original one then. But let's leave this arguing about the name and think more essential things - like the server.
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Post by lsudny on Jun 3, 2010 17:51:20 GMT -5
Simple question - can't we just name it PK2 MAPSTORE? If "Mapstore" isn't a copyrighted name, we can use it, right?
Oh my. "Mapstore" is original name and you don't buy maps there; you download them. Right? So how would you call it now?
Hmm, I think of PK2 Map Archive.
OK, going to bed. It's 1 AM here. Yaaaaaaaawnnn.
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Post by sahwar on Jun 3, 2010 22:56:23 GMT -5
@the Evil One: I didn't say it HAS to be a blog, blogs are... just easier to maintain and add new articles (i. e. episode reviews). If you know a good and reliable free host that could support this NEW mapstore website 24/7 online for a long time, then just let me know, so that we can create it. Also, you said "["store" may wrongly allude to buying, which makes it a bad part of the name]..., I guess I must settle for the name "Pekka Kana 2 Map Store 2" or "PK2 Map Store 2" (that's how it's written, I'd hate "pk2mapstore2")." - Well, since HTML neglects URL formatting (it doesn't distinguish between ExampleWebsite.com and examplewebsite.com, but considers only the lowercase correct), it really doesn't matter if it will be called "Pekka Kana 2 Map Store 2" or "PK2 Map Store 2" or "pk2mapstore2" - in the URL it will be only "pk2mapstore2". The "lowercase-uppercase letters and space between words" difference can be made only in the title of the page, not the URL. @lsudny: Just naming it "PK2Mapstore" isn't a good idea, since that's the name of the old, now dysfunctioned and abandoned mapstore, so search engines will make it hard to distinguish from the old mapstore. That's why we were discussing the name problem in the first place. In addition, "pk2maps" also sounds... unoriginal, while The Evil One's "PK2 Map Library" is too long, that's why a short version, like "pk2maplib" or "pk2mapDB" sounds better (I like these last two short names, what do you say - how about we use one of them?). Well, you've all made some good points regarding the name issue. Here's my mechanism for finding a solution: START PSEUDOCODE MECHANISM IF "pk2mapstore2" name not good enough => THEN change blog name to: (1) pk2maplib (short for pk2maplibrary) OR (2) pk2mapdb (short for pk2 map database) OR (3) pk2maparchive OR (4) [better suggestion for a name here] IF all else is OK THEN (5) start piling up the episode reviews IF NOT THEN IF WordPress.com blog hosting not good enough for our needs (no direct HTML & CSS editing) THEN (6) move to Blogger/Blogspot. THEN repeat (5) END. (written humorously as pseudocode for fun and clarity) So, do you two agree on the above basic process? And if yes, in which direction should we go then (1/2/3/4 -> 5, or 1/2/3/4/ -> 6 -> 5)? P. S. We should have decided on all these things by now... still, a discussion is the better way to solve the problems and determine the best option for this presumed NEW mapstore (irrespective of which website that turns to be).
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Post by lsudny on Jun 4, 2010 1:23:51 GMT -5
By the way, there's a "mapstore" for N, and it's called N User Map Archive. Yeah. Long. But it's shortened to NUMA. We can use acronyms - it'll be good.
pk2maplib is cool. Maybe pk2lib?
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Post by The Evil One on Jun 4, 2010 7:17:24 GMT -5
Now. I try to speak clearly and honestly. The name issueFirst. I am done with the name issue - if it'll be pk2mapstore2 (but I don't believe in it anymore, thanks) I don't protest. That's not a good name or so. But sahwar just wrote that "list of potential names" (don't find a better word...). I like "pk2maplib" or "pk2lib" (I like this better cause I have an idea, read it below). But in my opinion that name should officially be "PK2 Library", not "pk2lib", just because "pk2lib" looks stupid at my point of view. That's just my suggestion but I hope the name could be "PK2 Library" and the URL "http://(www.)pk2lib.(["insert domain name here"]).[com/net/org etc]/" ... "http://pk2lib.wordpress.com" for exemple. I hope this makes things more clear. My BRILLIANT idea...If that is not PK2 map library, it could be PK2 Library. It could contain those official non-included-to-the-game sprites - by Iv4n, Kalan and Janne - (and usermade, if you like), new tilesets and scenerys, musics... Blaah. So. What do you think...? Now what...?I agree with you about the "PK2 Library"/"pk2lib" and start seeking a server for our lib. The old Map store isn't a blog and I think the new one shouldn't be either. But that's still ONLY MY VERY OWN OPINION. Blogspot isn't the most editable place and we can also have a domain name without any payment - it must just end to .tk and we can get a custom domain URL. But I search, search, search... and here's one option. I don't know if you like it but you can look at it. Here's my (incomplete, only three pages are ready) home page. I code every single page by hand without any editor - that's a hard work. Now I hope you can understand me better. Btw. "PK2 Library" is shorter name than "PK2 Map store". ;D
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Post by sahwar on Jun 4, 2010 14:33:55 GMT -5
OK, I agree with "Pekka Kana 2 Library" ("pk2lib" in the URL) because having a repository of custom resources would be a nice addition to the index of maps.
I don't like webs.com (I've tried it but it's simply not a good free webhost in my opinion). A blog should do the trick, if you ask me.
So, if you all say "yes", I'll transfer pk2mapstore2.wordpress.com either to pk2lib.wordpress.com or to pk2db.wordpress.com and get to the actual adding of maps (I've just received a new episode that we should add soon). OK, just say "yes" for one of these 2 names and I'll create the new blog (with the new name).
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Post by The Evil One on Jun 4, 2010 15:01:50 GMT -5
Well, if it's a blog, could you at least make it to Blogger which I prefer, please? Or do you have a reason why WordPress would be better choise? If that's noteworthy I'll propably accept WordPress. My arguments for Blogger/Blogspot: - Complitely free - Editable source code - Piste Gamez Blog lies there and looks great (if that's a reason... - Possibility for several blog writers (I don't know WordPress well enough to say if it has the same feature) - I have experiences. You have yours from WordPress so tell me if that sounds better. ;D Still telling just suggestions. Not trying to manipulate anything... And I'm still seeking another non-blog server. Blog isn't a problem for me but it would be nice if I found a server that is agreed by you two guys. pk2lib.wordpress.com sounds good but where does pk2 db.wordpress.com come from?
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